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I think what Orenholt is trying to say here is that, no matter how much reasoning we do or use, we are still simply doing it or using it for the purpose of satisfying ourselves, or for the purpose of a goal we want to accomplish. Then, from this, assuming it is true, she is taking the next step whic...

Getoriks, You know how I said I value truth and emotion equally? I should have said that I value emotion more and that I DO need the lie of emotional satisfaction. So yes, I am a worthless liar and I don't give a fuck if any of you like me or dislike me or whatever for it. I think that David Quinn ...

Do you believe in an autonomous "I"? If not, how can one become enlightened? If so, then it must be caused and therefore, as you say, invalid. Okay, we have to be very careful here Leyla. It is true that there is no such thing as enlightenment, but just saying that indiscriminately to a b...

What do you mean by realizing the truth about causality "emotionally"? I mean that you let the truth of causality affect your emotional reactions. In other words, it's not enough to merely intellectually understand causality and its implications for your emotional life, but to then keep t...

My thoughts exactly, Sue.

What is good in the eyes of the people is usually not what is actually good for the people.

Many will take that as anti-democratic arrogance, others, as wise compassion.

Well, you seem to already comprehend, via causality, that we are not really the doers of our actions, the livers of our lives. You seem to understand that emotional satisfaction (it self a finite thing) by the dice dealings of fate, by the circumstances of life (themselves finite things), is never r...

Well, it's definitely a good first step. You are being truthful in that you are honestly acknowledging that you really do want to live out a lie. Explain how emotional satisfaction is a lie. The only people who need emotional satisfaction are those who live a false life, in particular, those who ha...

Well, it's definitely a good first step. You are being truthful in that you are honestly acknowledging that you really do want to live out a lie.

You want to live out a lie!?

Fair enough.

... But what about the lie that you need emotional satisfaction?

Orenholt, Emotional satisfaction may actually be the goal but reliance on reason and thinking are the best ways to obtain the maximum amount of it. This is pretty good... at first. Indeed, we can emotionally satisfy ourselves very well using reason. We can use reason to skillfully manipulate the wor...

"He who thinks the All is a banana is completely a banana himself." Funny, but yes, you become what you think. Even more, you become what you love. I am not going to make your arguments for you. Ditto. Well yes, science cannot exist without philosophy. Oh, but it can and does... to delude...

The self that thinks everything is not already perfect is the imperfect self. "He who thinks the All deficient is completely deficient himself." There are deeper implications to this though. Try and think out the further logical conclusions, and then try and think about how they apply to y...

What's the difference between no longer having an ego and passivity and complacency? What is the "higher world"? Does that mean that you agree with the end statement as well that "ego procures excellence"? Well, passivity and complacency are ego states. Only an ego can be active...

I actually think it was brave and masculine of Orenholt to admit that she was nearly offended. Just pretending she was not nearly offended and dismissing it in order to appear wiser than she really is to you guys would have been a feminine act, a dressing up for sake of argument. Instead, she comes ...

I could be wrong, I could be projecting, by I think Sue meant to abandon your self-history (take off your dress) as a way to overcome your ego. You still remember it and operate from it for practical matters, but for your spiritual progress try to get outside of it. You're so much more! And you have...

The world is created by desire. When one stops desiring, one stops their world. Being stopped, it is like a statue or corpse, and thus no longer a threat. This world or other or outside can never kill or destroy the self or inside. Hence comes enlightened courage. Boredom, loneliness, and all suffer...

Could you provide a pointer here or elsewhere in a new thread on how to read Plato's Republic as a magical guidebook to enlightenment? Quinn gave a proper introduction to his work but Plato didn't really. Sometimes when I say that the Republic is not really about politics, an academic or an academi...

I too at first got caught up in the little details of the psychological analysis. It took me some time to realize that it was not even about women, and furthermore, was not even about woman, but that it was about something much more magical. For most minds, Quinn's work, like all good spiritual work...

Firstly, it's impractical in a personal sense: a genuine spiritual seeker or philosopher headed for a political career is most likely headed only to his assassination. Second, it's impractical in a larger sense: there are far more effective ways of defeating tyranny than the regular mode of engaging...

I'm not sure this thread belongs in this forum, but... 1. Get your life situation in order. For example, if you are a member of the working class, or feel you need to be for the moment at least, then be sure to have work that is not unhealthy for you. I once worked at a factory that pays almost twic...

Thank you. I still have much to learn. This is new to me. I feel like a very young child. I feel as if I have realized the reality of my spiritual body which has since now been atrophied. I can barely move and barely even see. But really, all I am talking about is my recent return to being conscious...

Some Childlike Notes on Socrates and Wisdom I believe that Socrates was not a philosopher as most people today might imagine, but a master, mystic, shaman, or sage. In other words, he was enlightened. He was wise. I know that these days, enlightenment and wisdom are regarded as silly and fanciful n...

These are not poems, but sayings. I am no poet. The words I write will always be plain, and even boring. The thoughts I think, however, will perhaps be stimulating, and even inspiring. For some of you, they will be the redhot thoughts which burn, shock, and awaken you. Yet for others, they will be m...