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<t>Robert<br/> <br/> We're working on forum titles. Got any ideas? <br/> <br/> Here's one idea.<br/> <br/> The Red-Tailed Carp <br/> <br/> With this verse as a front piece. It's taken from the Book of Serenity, case 35 with a couple of small changes.<br/> <br/> Wagging his head, shaking his tail, th...

<t>ksolway<br/> -------------------------------------------------------<br/> John wrote:<br/> -------------------------------------------------------<br/> Note: "It cannot be understood by logic; it cannot be transmitted in words; it cannot be explained in writing; it cannot be measured by reason."<...

<t>jimhaz<br/> ----------------------------------------------<br/> The koans do not represent the private opinion of a single man...<br/> ----------------------------------------------<br/> So do the Koans represent the opinions of many men, developed over the ages, or do the koans have an inherent ...

<t>Kevin<br/> <br/> ----------------------------------------------------<br/> John quoted Hakuin:<br/> Quote:<br/> ----------------------------------------------------<br/> "...he will surely come to see that the ground where the ancients lived and functioned is not found at any level of intellectua...

<t>Robert Larkin<br/> I hope you do, John. (You're welcome too, Jim, if you won't talk about enlightenment. Everyone's welcome.) If we can get a few more people interested at Olio we can open up a forum for 'good talk' about Han-shan and Shih-ti, and burning the Buddha images to warm our butts, and ...

<t>Robert Larkin<br/> The Ponderer's Guild <br/> <br/> KIR <br/> <br/> olio <br/> <br/> Olio is the least of the three but I did co-found it and it is often an amusing place. You might get a kick out of our front page graphics. Seems someone from genius forum has already visited us. <br/> <br/> I'll...

<t>ksolway<br/> ----------------------------------------<br/> John quoted Hakuin:<br/> Quote:<br/> ----------------------------------------<br/> "...he will surely come to see that the ground where the ancients lived and functioned is not found at any level of intellectual understanding."<br/> -----...

Robert Larkin
John: "Robert, their philosophy is based on monkey mind ..." I don't know if you were laughing as you wrote that but I was laughing there. Thank you, John.

I have done much laughing here but overall I've been saddened.

John

<t>DavidQuinn000<br/> John wrote:<br/> Quote:<br/> ------------------------<br/> Robert, their philosophy is based on monkey mind and you are not the first to try and inform them. Good luck! <br/> ------------------------<br/> <br/> This division into "still mind" and "monkey mind" is itself a produ...

<t>Robert Larkin<br/> With regard to David's attempts to cling to thought as the ground of truth, no one sufficiently educated in Buddhism or Taoism will take David's position to be accurate - or would agree he knows much of value. <br/> <br/> I suggest my writing here either has or has not had some...

<t>ksolway<br/> ---------------------<br/> Not all concepts have but a tenous connection to reality. Why would you think so?<br/> <br/> Better, you show me a concept that is not this way.<br/> ---------------------<br/> My concept of anything at all (eg, "grass", "sky", etc) has a very close connect...

<t>ksolway<br/> ----------------------------------------------------<br/> John: How do you define spiritualistic and materialistic?<br/> -----------------------------------------------------<br/> The spiritual is infinite and seamless, while the materialistic is concrete and cut up into unwieldy blo...

<t>ksolway<br/> Their big mistake is in assuming that what we can immediately perceive is the entirety of reality, and that there is nothing else. This comes from having a materialistic approach to life, and a materialistic understanding of cause and effect. Unfortunately both life and cause and eff...

Rhett Rhett: The staff never really exists. John: You are saying that a non-existant staff hits... The staff does exist, as i mentioned in my response. It exists in the mind of the thug. It may also have existed in others minds. But you said "The staff never really exists" ! John: Can a no...

<t>When a young child I visited somewhere with my parents, there was a piano in one of the rooms. I started to play and was exceedingly pleased with the result. It sounded great, so much so that I gave full vent to my newly found musical talent. Eventually my mother came form the other room and shou...

Rhett We must conclude then, that the staff is magically spontaneously produced at the instant it strikes Rhett. The staff never really exists. You are saying that a non-existant staff hits a non-existant Rhett and causes non-existant pain in a non-existant head. Can a non-existant thing be a cause,...

<t>WolfsonJakk<br/> ----------------------------------------------------<br/> It is irrelevant whether or not the staff exists. What matters is the fact that it hit your head. <br/> <br/> Without either concept of exists/non-exists - I pick up the staff, that's it! One is free to use it.<br/> <br/> ...

Rhett John: Would it not be more truthful and correct to say - one has no way of knowing if the staff exists or not when it is no longer perceived by one? No. There are a number of ways we can tackle this: 1. Since you are asserting that the staff may exist even when it is not being experienced, phi...

Rhett ------------------------------------------- Rhett, do you really accept the above nonesense, that the staff ceases to exist when it is outside of his awareness! No wonder women aren't interested in (this sort of) enlightenment. ------------------------------------------- Your distaste for the ...

<t>voce io<br/> --------------------<br/> John, I've been calm since the summer. <br/> <br/> It doesn't appear that way. <br/> <br/> If you want to test yourself I would advise similar to what Tharan said to Rhett. Go through "The Blue Cliff Record" and "The Book of Serenity", both Ch'an books each ...

voce io:
That isn't true. It takes attachment to eat. Of course, sleeping just comes naturally.

You need to calm down for a while.

John

<t>voce io:<br/> We are all enlightened. I hope this is making some sense. <br/> <br/> It may make sense to your mind but it is not right. The Buddha is not a buddha of attachments and his response to circumstance is always immediate and appropriate. <br/> <br/> "When hungry I eat, when tired I slee...