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Which would have been the blind leading the blind, so it's for the best really. More ad hominem, no reasoning included, not a very intelligent guy, are you Jup? The abstract eternal truth that worldly idiots like you don't understand is that these things - "intelligence", "reasoning&...

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jupiviv wrote: Which would have been the blind leading the blind, so it's for the best really.

More ad hominem, no reasoning included, not a very intelligent guy, are you Jup?

But you're not really saying anything. Everything is a manifestation of reality, including delusion. I'm aware, and it does say a lot, but I wasn't using it as an argument. Is that statement a truth in the ultimate or conventional sense--and if they're both the same anyway, what's the difference? T...

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:I wouldn't say that our dual conception (subject/object) was false. Just not ultimately true. As I see it, there are many worldly perspectives, or conventional truths, which remain true even if they are seemingly "contradicted" by the ultimate nature of things. Though...

The difference in our respective observations is that he ignores continuation and dramatises the aspect of transience because his premise is supposedly that things are constantly changing. "Continuation" is a very general term, but if a stream for example "continues" that does n...

To me, I thought he was simply making the point that experience is necessarily empirical but that when you say “the entirety of the experience is still constantly changing”, you’re really saying the experience of experience is constantly changing, There is no 'experience of experience', so I don't ...

In >1, you say that consciousness is an abstract reference to thoughts, but you say that thoughts are aspects of it in >2. That is a contradictory usage right there. That's because you just misquoted, I said consciousness is a reference to thoughts, sensations, feelings, emotions, and so on. So tho...

Why not? The same reason that I wouldn't oppose whatever theories are had regarding galaxies or black holes or whatever else, these things exist or may exist, and I don't know much about them at all. In what manner they exist is where the disagreement is. For one who promotes "evolutionary the...

The context in which this absolute truth was couched by you in the discussion was as a direct opposition to the proposition that the ultimate origin of consciousness is that great primordial soup of physicality existing outside of consciousness whence everything we know came; essentially, in opposi...

The burden of proof falls upon whoever makes proofless or unreasonable claims. The burden of proof falls upon you because I have simply stated the obvious, that there is consciousness, you have gone on to claim "that things exist outside of consciousness". The fact is that the burden of p...

"May" be permanent in the sense that it's everlasting, or is permanent in the sense that it's everlasting? It depends on the truth you are speaking of, unless we're talking about "truth" in general. Can you see how difficult it is to have any certainty (and therefore any real di...

I am relatively sure that you cannot fully understand what is the basis of my critique. Another dismissal, I understood you fine. You have free time, and you basically admitted you haven't engaged in the sort of contemplation that has been referred to, so what's the excuse? My point is that your &q...

Leyla Shen wrote:

Absolute truth can be permanent, [snip]

What is the meaning of this?

That truth may be permanent in the sense that it is everlasting.

Leyla Shen wrote:Let's just say that I am fully aware it's not a truth statement that you would make, jupiviv.

I didn't say it, the sentence seems to just repeat itself, jup said it no doubt in some attempt to 'straw man' something as simple as transience.

It is self-evidently absolutely true that there is what we refer to as consciousness/impermanent appearances. Everything else lies therein. Everything else is a reference to these. Everything else is a manifestation/aspect of these. As for you, try harder . You are wrong, and absolutely are contrad...

you think materialism is fundamentally flawed - you can't have things existing outside consciousness because it ruins your Buddhist-Creationist premise. The brain is a mostly unconscious organ in the body that can be observed and sensed. Consciousness is not independent of the physical/material wor...

Logically, the laws of existence do not change. Only if they're actually "laws of existence" and not just conjecture. Gravity is gravity, hate is hate, love is love, etc. In regard to specifics such as these, we are speaking more about definitions. Hate could easily be mistaken for anger,...

I could have predicted your response. "Do what I do and you will 'see' what I see, That's basically how it works for almost every area of education. The thing is that, you can 'test' it, you can do it yourself, and you have no reason not to, you've got plenty of time. Time and time again I hav...

'Contemplation' I feel I undertake, though it certainly more tied to thinking and intellectual activity. I could I suppose entertain the notion of investigating the very platform of thinking and being (consciousness) as you recommend, Then spend a fair amount of time independently 'investigating th...

you've already stated that you "understand life/consciousness/awareness as being 'eternal'." Did I not say this exact thing? You ignored this. I'm also interested in you how you came to that conclusion? If anything, I'm looking at the history of philosophy, such as Plato or the Buddha, an...

Let me repeat it in a more logically stringent form: how can a constantly changing experience of constant change be meaningful? Meaning is part of the 'experience', not some external effort of any being observing that 'experience'. if truthful thoughts recur or endure then they must do so as themse...

perhaps because of your 10,000 clocked hours in mindless meditation This reveals a lot. You think meditation is a 'mindless' exercise, and it would be safe to assume you meant that in a negative way. Also, if we're using the word meditate in the way which I assume you use it, then I don't really me...

Yes, you've been repeating that point for a while, but refuse to elaborate on the destructive consequences, and refuse to answer simple questions: Have you? Also, a while ago you replied to the question about if you have ever spent time just 'dropping it all', said you were busy that week. Did you t...

In order to assert that experiences are constantly changing, you have to experience that fact about experiences, and even that experience would be constantly changing. How exactly does one have a constantly changing experience of the constant change in experiences? Here you subtly presume a distinc...