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- Wed May 03, 2006 2:07 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
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Quinn You have been saying all along that the enlightenment of the buddhas, which transcends all suffering, doesn't exist. You even reckon to have proved this to yourself. Are you now disowning all this? You’re generalizing here. Again, it is not my intention to declare that enlightenment doesnâ€...
- Tue May 02, 2006 2:26 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
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DavidQuinn Exactly right. Only the enlightened person is in a position to verify whether enlightenment exists or not. Everyone else is too ignorant to do it, by definition. Why am I not surprised. You are supporting his ignorant assumptions. Again, I am NOT trying to prove that enlightenment does n...
- Tue May 02, 2006 1:19 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
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Diebert van Rhijn And it's hard to imagine that 'nothing has changed' for you. Following seriously a spiritual path, any such path, upsets and uproots all of our life. Even the 'erroneous' ones. If you'd really had crashed and burned, in some tangible way, it would prove at least you lived what you...
- Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:14 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
- Views: 124986
- Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:40 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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Pye NOX, I am curious - what will you do now? I mean, when you're done fighting, rejecting enlightenment here. What (other) activity is now in store for your thinking-life, your life ? What I have always done. Live my life. Nothing has changed for me, this is no different then when I found Christia...
- Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:53 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
- Views: 124986
- Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:49 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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Quinn For your point to be taken seriously, you need to explain how a person who is free of attachments can experience loss (and therefore suffering). Simple chest-beating on your part isn't going to convince anyone. Exercise some logic, for a change. And so if your child were to be stricken with c...
- Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:21 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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Me: Why do you assume that suffering is a result of false thoughts? sschaula I don't assume it is. It generally is. Have you experienced a permanent state of non-suffering? Have you removed ALL false thoughts? He could suffer as a result of his false thoughts. Just as having my heart broken would c...
- Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:20 pm
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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Beingof1 Nice cover, you are very good at pushing buttons. This is the second time you’ve accused me of pushing your buttons. You are strongly mistaken! I have absolutely NO interest in you. But you cant see this, your over-inflated sense of importance clouds every thought you conspire. You assum...
- Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:09 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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sschaula Can you describe how you've eliminated false thoughts and still suffer? Why do you assume that suffering is a result of false thoughts? So according to your dogmatic induced belief, David Quinn, who claims to be enlightened, is suffering due to his false thoughts about my childhood and the...
- Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:25 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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Diebert van Rhijn Basically that's exactly what I think serious thinkers should do: invent it, derive it, conclude it for yourself. How can someone invent a pre-existing concept? I have concluded for myself, I am without doubt, and yet others seem to have an issue with my conclusions. So be it. Tha...
- Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:21 pm
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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cosmic_prostitute perhaps this is why the wise prefer to be alone, it is less painful. I’m quite sure you don’t need to be Enlightened to live in the peace born of seclusion. I need a solution that will work for a real person, functioning in the real world, not this mental masturbation for some...
- Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:33 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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Diebert van Rhijn Which defect? Of some product called 'enlightenment' that you plugged in the power grid and it didn't turn on for longer than a few fleeting moments? The defect that is responsible for Enlightenment not curing what the sages claim it does. Look, I didn’t invent fucking Enlighten...
- Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:35 pm
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- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
- Replies: 370
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sschaula You know, the story of the Buddhas was that he actually didn't believe enlightenment existed either. He tried and tried to find a way to avoid death, by doing yogic poses, fasting, saying mantras, covering himself with ashes, meditating. None of it worked for him. From what I’ve read ther...
- Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:10 am
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- Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
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The Invalidity of Enlightenment
So as not to highjack and derail sschaula’s thread (Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?) any further, I have continued our conversation here. Diebert van Rhijn I'm not sure I can follow your step from failing to blaming. Blaming the system, or blaming yourself, both seem a bit p...
- Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:35 pm
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
- Replies: 34
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So are you saying that because you and everyone you know failed, it all has to be bullshit? From my perspective, yes! Why is it that we are to blame for it to have failed? And not that it has failed us? This attitude is a by-product of our social constructs and conditioning. The individual is alway...
- Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:08 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 17973
How would you describe your own experiences of 'enlightenment' in the classic sense? Intriguing, hopeful, illuminating, frustrating, stagnating, frustrating, infuriating, maddening, hopeless, determined, terrifying, resolute, empty, headaches, fruitless, pointless, hopeful, frustrating, secluded, e...
- Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:41 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 17973
DHodges I'm not entirely convinced one way or the other. But I don't think it really matters. Whether there is such a thing or not, ridding the mind of delusions (to the extent possible) is still a worthwhile goal. The “mind†IS delusion. How can the mind remove the mind? And how is that worthwh...
- Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:42 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 17973
I have no idea how you are defining Enlightenment currently. Liberation, Freedom, Cessation of Suffering, Unbinding: the foremost ease. calm, devoid of distress, Rapture in the Dhamma. Lokuttara Dhamma...etc, etc, etc.... to ad nauseam... Compared to the audience you imagine when writing. No. I ima...
- Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:58 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
- Replies: 34
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Most ideas people hold are some dogmatic hang-over of some kind, so what's new? So then would you agree that Enlightenment is as effective as a prescription of Bloodletting or as valid as a flat Earth? Nox, do you still consider yourself as aware or wise in any way? Aware in what sense? Self-awaren...
- Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:22 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 17973
- Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:05 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: The relationship between boredom and excitement
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- Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:44 pm
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Is Choice an Illusion?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 19420
- Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:13 am
- Forum: GENIUS FORUM
- Topic: Is Choice an Illusion?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 19420
Kevin A sage doesn't have deluded, confused, compulsive thoughts, so he does in fact listen to his thoughts, and is in no danger of being misled. Since his thoughts are pure and true he can be certain about things that he should be certan of, and uncertain about things he should be uncertain of. An...
- Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:55 pm
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- Topic: The Violent Spirit of Love
- Replies: 66
- Views: 41041