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by N0X23
Wed May 03, 2006 2:07 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Quinn You have been saying all along that the enlightenment of the buddhas, which transcends all suffering, doesn't exist. You even reckon to have proved this to yourself. Are you now disowning all this? You’re generalizing here. Again, it is not my intention to declare that enlightenment doesnâ€...
by N0X23
Tue May 02, 2006 2:26 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

DavidQuinn Exactly right. Only the enlightened person is in a position to verify whether enlightenment exists or not. Everyone else is too ignorant to do it, by definition. Why am I not surprised. You are supporting his ignorant assumptions. Again, I am NOT trying to prove that enlightenment does n...
by N0X23
Tue May 02, 2006 1:19 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Diebert van Rhijn And it's hard to imagine that 'nothing has changed' for you. Following seriously a spiritual path, any such path, upsets and uproots all of our life. Even the 'erroneous' ones. If you'd really had crashed and burned, in some tangible way, it would prove at least you lived what you...
by N0X23
Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:14 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Pye oh, no difference in form, to be sure. huge difference in content. I must have been asleep at the switch to have mistaken your corrections to people -- on buddhism, buddhist scripture, the Void, the errors in David Quinn's interpretations -- as "agnosticism." I have gaps in my attenda...
by N0X23
Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:40 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Pye NOX, I am curious - what will you do now? I mean, when you're done fighting, rejecting enlightenment here. What (other) activity is now in store for your thinking-life, your life ? What I have always done. Live my life. Nothing has changed for me, this is no different then when I found Christia...
by N0X23
Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:53 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Sapius You know what, you may be right, but it all depends on how you have come to understand what that word means or what is it that is supposed to happen, that is, if anything is supposed to "happen" at all. In any case, I prefer not to get stuck up with any particular word especially w...
by N0X23
Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:49 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Quinn For your point to be taken seriously, you need to explain how a person who is free of attachments can experience loss (and therefore suffering). Simple chest-beating on your part isn't going to convince anyone. Exercise some logic, for a change. And so if your child were to be stricken with c...
by N0X23
Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:21 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Me: Why do you assume that suffering is a result of false thoughts? sschaula I don't assume it is. It generally is. Have you experienced a permanent state of non-suffering? Have you removed ALL false thoughts? He could suffer as a result of his false thoughts. Just as having my heart broken would c...
by N0X23
Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:20 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Beingof1 Nice cover, you are very good at pushing buttons. This is the second time you’ve accused me of pushing your buttons. You are strongly mistaken! I have absolutely NO interest in you. But you cant see this, your over-inflated sense of importance clouds every thought you conspire. You assum...
by N0X23
Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:09 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

sschaula Can you describe how you've eliminated false thoughts and still suffer? Why do you assume that suffering is a result of false thoughts? So according to your dogmatic induced belief, David Quinn, who claims to be enlightened, is suffering due to his false thoughts about my childhood and the...
by N0X23
Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:25 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Diebert van Rhijn Basically that's exactly what I think serious thinkers should do: invent it, derive it, conclude it for yourself. How can someone invent a pre-existing concept? I have concluded for myself, I am without doubt, and yet others seem to have an issue with my conclusions. So be it. Tha...
by N0X23
Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:21 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

cosmic_prostitute perhaps this is why the wise prefer to be alone, it is less painful. I’m quite sure you don’t need to be Enlightened to live in the peace born of seclusion. I need a solution that will work for a real person, functioning in the real world, not this mental masturbation for some...
by N0X23
Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:33 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

Diebert van Rhijn Which defect? Of some product called 'enlightenment' that you plugged in the power grid and it didn't turn on for longer than a few fleeting moments? The defect that is responsible for Enlightenment not curing what the sages claim it does. Look, I didn’t invent fucking Enlighten...
by N0X23
Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:35 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

sschaula You know, the story of the Buddhas was that he actually didn't believe enlightenment existed either. He tried and tried to find a way to avoid death, by doing yogic poses, fasting, saying mantras, covering himself with ashes, meditating. None of it worked for him. From what I’ve read ther...
by N0X23
Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:10 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Invalidity of Enlightenment
Replies: 370
Views: 124592

The Invalidity of Enlightenment

So as not to highjack and derail sschaula’s thread (Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?) any further, I have continued our conversation here. Diebert van Rhijn I'm not sure I can follow your step from failing to blaming. Blaming the system, or blaming yourself, both seem a bit p...
by N0X23
Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:35 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
Replies: 34
Views: 17915

So are you saying that because you and everyone you know failed, it all has to be bullshit? From my perspective, yes! Why is it that we are to blame for it to have failed? And not that it has failed us? This attitude is a by-product of our social constructs and conditioning. The individual is alway...
by N0X23
Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:08 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
Replies: 34
Views: 17915

How would you describe your own experiences of 'enlightenment' in the classic sense? Intriguing, hopeful, illuminating, frustrating, stagnating, frustrating, infuriating, maddening, hopeless, determined, terrifying, resolute, empty, headaches, fruitless, pointless, hopeful, frustrating, secluded, e...
by N0X23
Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:41 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
Replies: 34
Views: 17915

DHodges I'm not entirely convinced one way or the other. But I don't think it really matters. Whether there is such a thing or not, ridding the mind of delusions (to the extent possible) is still a worthwhile goal. The “mind” IS delusion. How can the mind remove the mind? And how is that worthwh...
by N0X23
Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:42 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
Replies: 34
Views: 17915

I have no idea how you are defining Enlightenment currently. Liberation, Freedom, Cessation of Suffering, Unbinding: the foremost ease. calm, devoid of distress, Rapture in the Dhamma. Lokuttara Dhamma...etc, etc, etc.... to ad nauseam... Compared to the audience you imagine when writing. No. I ima...
by N0X23
Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:58 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
Replies: 34
Views: 17915

Most ideas people hold are some dogmatic hang-over of some kind, so what's new? So then would you agree that Enlightenment is as effective as a prescription of Bloodletting or as valid as a flat Earth? Nox, do you still consider yourself as aware or wise in any way? Aware in what sense? Self-awaren...
by N0X23
Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:22 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Enlightenment - a state of stupor or constant thought?
Replies: 34
Views: 17915

After years of intensive investigation, I am thoroughly convinced that Enlightenment is entirely, 100% ,unadulterated bullshit. Philosophical, New-Age, or otherwise. A dogmatic hang-over from the archaic past.
by N0X23
Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:05 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The relationship between boredom and excitement
Replies: 4
Views: 4167

The cosmic prostitute has been a clown persona, a joker,
Ladies and Gentleman, this years winner of the painfully obvious, “No Shit” award! (spattering applause)
by N0X23
Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:44 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Is Choice an Illusion?
Replies: 28
Views: 19376

Hey Cosmic...
While I agree that Ug’s words can be very influential, your tepid impression of his provocative script and prose is rather transparent. ;)
by N0X23
Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:13 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Is Choice an Illusion?
Replies: 28
Views: 19376

Kevin A sage doesn't have deluded, confused, compulsive thoughts, so he does in fact listen to his thoughts, and is in no danger of being misled. Since his thoughts are pure and true he can be certain about things that he should be certan of, and uncertain about things he should be uncertain of. An...
by N0X23
Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:55 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: The Violent Spirit of Love
Replies: 66
Views: 40945

Intriguing first post propellerbea.....er.. ah... I mean, “alex”. ;)