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by Fujaro
Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:56 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

This will be my last post on GF. For the most part of it I enjoyed the discussion very much and I thank all who have participated in it. I hold no grudges against anyone, not even the addicts of ad hominem that are quite numerous here on GF. But to be honest since we’ve been hitting the realm of met...
by Fujaro
Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:51 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
Replies: 623
Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

I'm not saying that "my" conscious thought is a necessary condition for all existence, nor even conscious thought generally. Conscious thought is only one aspect of conscious experience. When I experience a physical mountain, for example, my conscious thought only plays a minor contributing role. M...
by Fujaro
Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:43 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

The real question is what drives a paradigm. If a paradigm is driven by groupthink forces, its value rapidly approaches negative. The problem with most academic philosophy is that it is constructed for the purposes of furthering ones position and thus is imbued with the property of intellectual con...
by Fujaro
Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:16 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Judging Others
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Views: 19514

Re: Judging Others

Fujaro, it looks like David might have been making a judgement based on observation, not logic alone, which he does from time to time. When it comes to empirical matters, such as assessing a person's psychology and level of wisdom, observation always plays a role. Isn't that what you call speculati...
by Fujaro
Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:14 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Kevin, thanks for all your answers, but I'm afraid we're not done yet. 1) Are there other conscious minds than the "I"? There appear to be. You seem to identify yourself that asserting (1) is not a logical conclusion then? 2) Can you perceive all aspects of your own conscious mind? Can a fingertip t...
by Fujaro
Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:46 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Your stance is not a logical conclusion derived from rigorous deductive reasoning about existence at all, but a metaphysical claim. I feel we're entering the territory of belief here rather than that of logic or hard evidence about existence. So far you haven't provided conclusive evidence for your...
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:45 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Judging Others
Replies: 405
Views: 19514

Re: Judging Others

Trevor Salyzyn wrote:Fujaro, it looks like David might have been making a judgement based on observation, not logic alone, which he does from time to time.
We al think we do. And now?
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:42 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

David and Kevin, please could you answer the following questions for me: 1) Are there other conscious minds than the "I"? 2) Can you perceive all aspects of your own conscious mind? 3) Which aspects of your own conscious mind can you perceive with absolute certainty? 4) Do animals have conscious min...
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:57 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Instead of positing consciousness as a necessity in this, why not just simply assert that appearances alone exist? Because they don't. Consciousness is a neccessary cause for an appearance to enter Existence. You are contrdicting yourself here. That's good, but "entering Existence", with a capital ...
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:35 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Judging Others
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Views: 19514

Re: Judging Others

David Quinn wrote:It isn't mind-reading, but the mundane act of observing actions and words and drawing conclusions from them.

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It's that gran' ole hotline with god, that hits us with apriori knowledge ;-)
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:56 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Maybe the appearance of the past in the now is a false one The appearance of it can't be false. The past exists for essentially the same reason that A=A. It does so because of memory. Oh, and memories can't be false? Is this the hotline-with-god-thing again? If so, how is it possible that there app...
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:16 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Judging Others
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Views: 19514

Re: Judging Others

David Quinn wrote:No more so than judging a bible-thumping, frothing-of-the-mouth Christian fundamentalist to be seriously deluded.
Ah, I see you agree that it is mindreading and that you have found a reason for this one special oscasion to indulge in it. Excellent!
by Fujaro
Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:10 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Kevin and I agree that consciousness is a necessary condition for existence. This is because an existing thing can only exist by virtue of having a form of some kind and, in turn, a form can only exist by virtue of presenting an appearance to an observer. In other words, without the perspective gen...
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:42 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
Replies: 623
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

First link is correct, second link can create confusion, and the last link is flat-out wrong. Do you need links to speak for you? The predicate of A=A is actually the equal sign. That is what makes it a significant statement. Speaking of the third link, for someone who claims that common interpreta...
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:33 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
Replies: 623
Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

As I said, the one that holds absolute truth, I am not he.
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:43 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

I formulated it in a general sense to stress that mapping to the predicate and mapping to the subject are technically different mappings. Distinguishing the two A's into subject and predicate is incorrect: the predicate is the = sign. I am distinguishing the grammatical role in the sentence "A is A...
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:35 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Judging Others
Replies: 405
Views: 19514

Re: Judging Others

I don't think you consciously try to lie. It is more a case of not having enough ability to tell the truth due to some large mental blocks, an over-inflated opinion of yourself, and a lack of insight into your own psychology and behaviour. Your belief in your perfect enlightenment has unwittingly b...
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:16 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

(A) <the real object> <--(pointer 1)--- logical subject A is logical predicate A --(pointer 2)--> <the real object> While in the idealist view and in the realm of objectivism that concerns thought itself it would be: (B) <thought of A> <--(pointer 1)--- Logical subject A is logical predicate A --(p...
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:41 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: When is a fish not a fish?

Furthermore I do think that I can point to a thing in reality without referring to rigorous A=A. I simply restrict myself to a limited set of properties to define that the thing is A. I can do that logically, and I can do that empirically. So I allow that I might discover empirically that this tabl...
by Fujaro
Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:38 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

I will try to disentangle the arguments thusfar stated in this thread on the Law of Identity (LOI). In the analysis I stumbled on some contradictions I would like to resolve. It is possible these contradictions have arisen from the fact that different debaters in this thread have slightly different ...
by Fujaro
Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:58 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Well, I really don't think that logic (or philosophic logic as you call it) isn't compatible with science. My statement would be that they need each other as in symbiosis. And I have stated such several times before. But I do think that you and Kevin are using the word 'logic' as a trojan horse int...
by Fujaro
Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:52 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
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Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

At some point one must accept the foundations of logic as true, or no logic will emerge at all. Isn't that in a nutshell where you were arguing against before? What happens if no logic would emerge? What are the consequences? Unknown for sure! There is a huge difference between 1) accepting it as a...
by Fujaro
Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:15 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
Replies: 623
Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Trevor Salyzyn wrote:Do two inductive arguments, with the same set of premises and margins of error, lead to the same conclusion?
Does the abiding of the circuits in your PC/Mac to the quantum tunneling effect constitute a succes of induction and deduction together or to deduction alone?
by Fujaro
Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:02 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?
Replies: 623
Views: 22629

Re: Can you ever be certain that you are reasoning correctly?

Fujaro, could you please give an example of a type of logic without self-identity? To my knowledge there are only inductive types of logic that can do without A=A. I have provided the example already: Furthermore I do think that I can point to a thing in reality without referring to rigorous A=A. I...